Matt Chatterley root at mpc.dyn.ml.org
Fri Jun 20 09:47:12 New Zealand Standard Time 1997

On Thu, 19 Jun 1997, Adam Wiggins wrote:

> [Caliban:]
> > Actually, it doesn't get around anything, because none of THESE people
> > want to be associated with any of THOSE people and none of THOSE people
> > want to be associated with any of THESE people. So when you lump them
> Yes, I'd say this is the heart of the matter.  Personally, I don't
> care, and I need a term to be able to refer to everything that we
> talk about on this list, and that term is 'mud'.  It's short, and it's
> also in the title for the list itself, therefore, I find it completely
> appropriate.

Quite true; but If I take the quote from Caliban in the right context
(I've skipped a lot of messages recently, since the list didn't like me
using a different reply-to address; I've changed it back for now) - the
point about players being somewhat bigoted in *some* cases is quite right.

To cite an example, I have a very intelligent, very friendly associate on
many games, who is one of the nicest people I've ever met RL, yet, she
turns her nose up at any attempts to aliken a MUSH to an LP, because shes
been quite literally trained to do that by others.
> > years of roleplaying doesn't, either. I don't know the architectural
> > difference between TurdMUD and CrapMUD, so I must be totally clueless. I
> > wonder where people get off accusing *me* of bigotry.
> Ah, I see your confusion now.  Let me clarify for you.
> No one actually cares about any existing mud servers, except for
> passing references - 'Tiny does this, but not very well' or 'LP does
> this, but I don't have any desire to take it that far'.  Most everyone
> here is either writing their own codebase from scratch, or interested
> in completely new kinds of muds.  Therefore, of what use to us is
> prattling on about why thus-and-such codebase sucks, and why thus-and-such
> codebase rules?

Unless the prattling is taken from a critical analysis point of view,
analysing the pros and cons of the base, for use apart from it - but you
seem to rule that out by context, rather than not know it. ;)

At any rate, this discussion has kinda been beaten to death now. :)

	-Matt Chatterley
"He can't stop us, we're on a mission from Glod!" - Soul Music (Pratchett)

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