[MUD-Dev] First use of "avatar"?
Nathan F. Yospe
yospe at kanga.nu
Thu Dec 13 21:04:13 New Zealand Daylight Time 2001
"Koster, Raph" <rkoster at soe.sony.com> said:
> I think The Realm and ToonChat were right around the same time. I
> know that they called them "toons" in The Realm, which given its
> graphics was inevitable.
> Of course, now I am remembering that there was of course the game
> AVATAR on PLATO in the 70s.
And of course, with the Meta thread now running around, everyone has
the clue about google groups. I started combing yesterday. Guess
what that effort turned up?
There's more than what I'm posting. net.games.frp had common use of
the term Avatar for god-inhabited, which suggests that the use in
MMOGs does derive from the hindu word, but through drifting
references in small and marginally related subcultures. No doubt
both Farmer and Stephenson had heard it in some context related to
RPGs and subconciously locked in the new meaning, perhaps not quite
what the person saying it had intended.
Then again, Stephenson is a historian, at least in mind, so may have
not heard it in any context but Hinduism.
I'm also very disturbed to see a guy that, aside from his name,
would've had to have been me, posting at a date when I was in the
third grade and figuring out how to hack Apple][ video in BASIC.
I'm certain I hadn't heard of usenet until the 90s.
But there he is, Fermi resident, frp poster, all text justified
exactly, though his is 65 and I think most of mine have been either
72 or 75, and he writes... well, I swear it reads like I wrote it,
down to the type of grammatical structure and choices of words.
I wonder what this guy's like today, and will I become him in ten
But back to the topic...
First possible use of Avatar for character in an RPG:
First mention of AVATAR:
First definition of Avatar (hindu):
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--- Avatar, possibly, as word for D&D character:
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From: lmaher at uokvax.UUCP
Subject: Evil Character: Taira, Part I - (nf)
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Date: Fri, 7-Sep-84 08:44:00 EDT
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uokvax!lmaher Sep 7 07:44:00 1984
This is the first of two articles describing a powerful evil
character for AD&D. This article gives the AD&D stats, and the
next one gives the character's history and followers.
I was going to post The Avatar With No Name, but after checking I
saw she had far more than 3 Mep, and I didn't want to convert her
from my streamlined D&D variant into AD&D. So I just created an
evil character from scratch. If you play rigid AD&D you might
question the alignment, but the justification is in the
background. I'm assuming every alignment extreme has Paladins
otherwise why haven't the LGs conquered the world? If you can't
handle that idea, just delete the offending classes, and add the
extra experience to Illusionist. I also switched a point of
Constitution to Strength. If it bothers you, tear out my heart
and feed it to a demon. Taira would.
TAIRA OF THE THOUSAND NAMES
<No need to post the rest, not relevant...>
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From: mzp at uicsg.UUCP
Subject: Re: How about Multiplayer Rogue? - (nf)
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Date: Thu, 19-Apr-84 22:26:00 EST
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uicsg!mzp Apr 19 21:26:00 1984
There is a game on the CERL PLATO system here called 'avatar,'
which cannot be easily described here. It is the closest thing to
real D&D that I have ever seen. Inter-player communication is
fully supported anywhere, and items and gold may be exchanged when
both characters are in the same location.
The dungeon automatically repopulates with monsters every 15
minutes or so, and there are 15 square levels 30x30 each. There
are a huge number of magic items, monsters, and spells that can be
cast. You can run in groups or individually, something that
especially makes sense because players can have different classes
and alignments. Dead players can be carried back up to the
morgue, where a fee must be paid for a raise (lost of
Stud characters can cast 'resurrect.' An interesting feature is
that you can be 'quested' for a monster or item, which means that
you are required to defeat that monster or find that item to make
level. Unfortunately, avatar took several people (3 or 4) a few
years to fully develop, and you will probably not find anyone
other than students to do such a thing.
Avatar also uses graphics (512x512) to display the view down the
hallway and to display the monsters. It would be difficult to do
something effective with 24x80 terminals.
Mark Papamarcos ihnp4!uiucdcs!uicsg!mzp
"DING! Good answer! Show me, 'commie pinko liberal.'"
--- Avatar, the original meaning ---
Date: Mon Apr 18 07:44:50 1983
Subject: Re: testing claims responses
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Posted: Sat Apr 16 15:28:30 1983
Received: Mon Apr 18 07:44:50 1983
Reply to Bob Bales.
What is unique to Christianity is the claim that God, as distinct
from a prophet or a good man, lived as a man on earth. And, most
importantly, Christianity and Judaism represent God's attempt to
reach man while other religions represent mans' attempt to reach
Ever hear of a small and insignificant religion called Hinduism,
Bob? Only a few hundred million adherents. Virtually all the
gods in this pantheon have avatars (and all the major ones
do). An avatar is a god born on Earth as a human. It's a very
common concept. (There are also elements of this in Buddhism,
but they are clearly Hindu borrowings.) Why do you cling to this
weird notion that Christianity is unique?
To some, the sureness that comes from having put the claims of
Christianity to the test seems to be offensive arrogance. It is
not meant that way. Don't believe in Christianity because I, or
anyone else on or off the net, says to. Test it for yourself!
I have often noted in Christians that they will attempt to get
away with some otherwise offensive verbal utterance by claiming
that it really isn't what it is. For instance, "I don't mean to
seem holier-than-thou, but you're going to Hell while I sonbathe
in Heaven." The fact that you claim you don't mean arrogance
deliberately doesn't mean that it isn't there. It is incredibly
arrogant to say that your experiuences with a small subset of a
field qualify you as an expert on the entirety. It's as if
someone were to master TRS-80 BASIC and then claim to know
everything worth knowing about computer languages.
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Nathan F. Yospe - Physicist, Artist, Programmer, Writer, JOAT with a SAK
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